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NIT Tournament

TJ Rives:

Well, hey there and welcome back to a Tuesday edition to the BetUS College Basketball show. We’re in a little bit of the lull before the Final Four cranks up later in the week, but that does not mean that we don’t have games to talk about tonight and a bunch to discuss subplots every which direction I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ Rives. These are the guys that you’re really here to see that are here to handicap some of what’s going to go on in the NIT as well as an advanced look of what’s happening later this week in new Orleans. The big man on campus is Jeff Nadu. Good to be back with you, sir. And also good to be back with Kyle Hunter for the first time this week, Kyle completely decked out in Ohio state guard. I don’t know if he’s ready for spring football. If he’s in memoriam for the Ohio State basketball season, I’m not sure which. Kyle, Good to be with you for the first time this week. How you feeling?

Kyle Hunter:

Good to be back guys. Sweet 16 Elite Eight was a bit boring. I think you guys probably covered that yesterday, but I think we got some good games here for the Final Four, but first we got to get through the NIT. Some pretty decent games here for the NI T as well. And TJ, just one quick shout to the fact that Arkansas team total under 73 was just a brutal loss there last week when I was on, on Thursday. Them fouling up seven with three seconds left and then dunking it? I mean, just unbelievable that that ended up losing, but you know, that should be on bad beats.

TJ Rives:

Yeah, it was definitely a bad beat for sure. I was feeling for you after you had been on the show where the… I mean just let the game end and my man gets the under 73. It didn’t happen, but that’s okay. We’re looking forward. We’re moving forward. Are we not big, man? We’re looking forward to tonight. We’re looking forward to what’s going to be happening this weekend. How you feeling on a Tuesday?

Jeff Nadu:

I feel pretty good. I’m ready to go. Let’s rock and let’s talk some NIT and end the season on a high note.

TJ Rives:

Yeah, absolutely. And again, we’ll have time for your Q & A as well. Get the questions going, Kyle and Jeff may be answering some of that in the live chat as we go along. We’ll also verbally bring up some of the questions and some of the topics here for a Tuesday before we get ready for Villanova, Kansas followed by Duke, North Carolina, which you cannot, you cannot overstate how crazy it is going to be when Friday gets to Saturday, especially in the Triangle and Tobacco Road. It may all come to a complete stop, like starting Saturday afternoon besides this game and what’s going to happen. All right. So let’s take a look. The records are unchanged.

TJ Rives:

So the records are the records, because we didn’t have an official play on the show yesterday. Here are the records going into this week. I’m not sure if that’s yeah, that’s not our records. That’s okay. That’s the NBA show’s records. The records are still the shame with big man on campus still being above 500. Kyle, I believe you’re still above 500, the show above 500 as well for the different college basketball picks. So I think there we go. There we have those and you see, well the show dipped actually just below, but Jeff and Kyle still above and that’s going to lead us into the conversations for Tuesday and about the NIT and then why don’t we begin with the…

Jeff Nadu:

You bet [inaudible 00:03:04] plays you’d be killing it. You’d be…

TJ Rives:

Well, just on you guys. Absolutely take care of business. So on the NIT these are two games on the neutral floor that will be coming up tonight and we’re ready to discuss them and get into those. The first one of which is one that we talked about some yesterday, but now here it is on Tuesday. That is St. Bonaventure and Xavier with St. Bonaventure, still maintaining as a point and a half favorite in this one for tonight, the total at 139 and a half. And both of our handicappers here, I believe are going to end up being in agreement. Big man, why don’t you in things, what is your official play and why?

Jeff Nadu:

I like the under, I kind of alluded yesterday. I definitely think, on a neutral, if you ask me who wins this game, I will go St. Bonaventure. You know, anytime you back St. Bonaventure it’s concerning. You know, they are not a deep team. They have no bench. You have the wrong ref who calls everything and it can be really difficult. Now, when you look at both these teams, Xavier wants to turn the tempo, but I think this one really kind of, this is all or nothing here. Bonaventure’s going to dictate the tempo. And I think the tempo’s quite slow. I mean, neither team, particularly Bonaventure go very fast. I think Xavier will be made to kind of be played in a half court game. And that’s kind of what I want when you’re backing under as [Cal 00:04:20] knows, you always want teams that don’t shoot well from three. Neither of these teams really shoot a ton of threes and quite honestly are very good from it.

Jeff Nadu:

Both these teams are very dictated on the half court getting into the teeth of the defense, getting to the line or, and, or finishing at the rim, both these teams, good rim defenses. I think both these teams kind of struggle at times to score and manufacture points. St. Bonaventure struggled against teams that can really light them up from three. Now, I guess it’s possible that Xavier could go off here and do well, but I’m not going to bank on it. Both these teams, rim reliant, I think with Osunniyi, the way Xavier’s defended of late, I think this is a game that’s played in the half court. I don’t think we see a ton of transition baskets.

Jeff Nadu:

And I think this has played close to the vest. This is an important game. It’s all or nothing. We know the rims at MSG, I’m sure as Kyle will mention, aren’t necessarily inviting. This is a big backdrop. A lot of these players have never played at this level of arena. So that’s all real important, the optics and everything like that. I’m going to go under, I think this is like a 68-64 type of game. If that, they get first to 65 wins. I lean Xavier or St. Bonaventure beat Xavier, but I’m going to go under, I think both of us played it at 140. I like the under

TJ Rives:

And just real quick something you said yesterday, but repeat it for the audience here, St. Bonaventure has won a couple of games on the road, or at least one on the road. Xavier played all of their games at home and now has to venture away from home to play in this. And that’s a factor.

Jeff Nadu:

Yeah, for sure. I mean, St Bonaventure’s really, I feel like right after they… I think they were kind of aware. They probably weren’t going to get in on it at large or they made it move way quick and they focused on winning this tournament. You know, they are, I think are the type of team you want TJ, you want that experience. They’re very experienced. They’re all seniors for the most part. This is the last hoorah and they’ve played like it. I don’t think going on the road’s going to be as difficult. And remember, their crowd I think is going to be a little bit… I mean, they’ve traveled well, if you’ve watched the games. They have a big contingent of fans that have been there. I’d have to figure this would be a bit easier to get to as well for maybe students or people that want to go. So yeah, I lean St. Bonnie to win, but I like the under, as my play.

TJ Rives:

Kyle, I sold them short. They won all three of their games St. Bonaventure on the road at Colorado, at Oklahoma, at Virginia. That’s impressive for the Bonnie’s, thoughts on this one. I think I know where you’re headed, but thoughts on this one, sir?

Kyle Hunter:

Yeah. I mean, as far as side to start with, I do lean St. Bonnie pretty strongly in this game. You know, they’re the fifth most experienced team in the country and they want it. They clearly want this post-season tournament. Xavier has seemed largely apathetic here throughout this run. They were fortunate to beat Cleveland State. They were extremely fortunate to beat Vanderbilt. Paul Scruggs is out with the torn ACL for Xavier. Certainly one of their best players. You could argue their most important player, significant loss for Xavier. Certainly he’s one of the guys that would push the tempo as well.

Kyle Hunter:

From a side standpoint, I lean St. Bonnie probably money line with it being minus one and a half here on this one. On the total, I have a nice system here that is certainly relevant. I hate that these games are not going to be played at MSG next year. I was reading that, [inaudible 00:07:40] pour one out on that, because I was pretty upset. You know, these games have been good for unders for a long time.

TJ Rives:

Out of curiosity, can I just stop you? Where are they going to play because it’s…

Kyle Hunter:

I don’t even know yet.

TJ Rives:

They didn’t play two years ago. Last year, they played at North Texas, the university of North Texas on the neutral floor for the entire tournament. So why would it not be at MSG? And if so, where is it going? Are they going to find another location does it sound like, or we don’t know?

Kyle Hunter:

I don’t know the answer to why it’s not being played here. My guess is they’re not filling up the stadium that well for these games, but regardless MSG is a great under venue has been for many years and TJ, I think you’re going to like this one. I got a nice system here on semifinals and finals games at MSG. Great under venue. The under is 28 and 12, and the last 40 NIT semifinals and finals games at MSG. And the under is 23 and six when the total is 135 and a half or higher. So we have a total that’s pretty clearly higher than that.

Kyle Hunter:

Scruggs is one of those guys that would be pushing the pace for Xavier, unless Xavier gets red hot from three. And like big man said, that’s always possible. You know, we never know what will happen. I think that’s what it’s going to take for this one to go over the total. I know St. Bonnie wants to play slowly. So unless Xavier hits a bunch of threes and gets out to an early lead, I think this one stays under the total. So I’m going to take St. Bonnie and Xavier under the total here.

Jeff Nadu:

Remember also when it comes to the game itself we’ve kind of talked about [inaudible 00:09:09] occasionally playing a money line when it’s one and a half. Remember, I mean, when it comes to Bonnie and they play a lot of close games, last two games have been decided, I think by two and by one. So that could be very important here and fruitful if you’re in a close game, plus it helps the under because it’s less possessions. But yeah, I would probably look at if you like Bonnie playing a money line, but I’ll tell you this. A lot of people have bet on Bonaventure. I’ve seen a lot of bets on Bonnie. You know, say what you want about Xavier, but they’re kind of one of those teams that just keeps answering the call. We keep hearing, well, they’re not going to be ready. They’re not prepared. They keep winning. That was an impressive win…

TJ Rives:

Interim coach. Interim coach, because remember they fired the coach. What, after the first… It’s bizarre, they fired him after the first NIT win. Right? And then they’ve since then hired Sean Miller and Sean Miller’s not coaching them. So it’s a weird coaching situation in Xavier. So…

Jeff Nadu:

They did a nice job against Vandy, man. I mean, they shut Vandy down the last three or four minutes and everybody contributed. I mean this team, if they’re getting a bad [inaudible 00:10:10] out of there, they can look forward to another coach coming in. Look, all these teams are focused by this point, the goal is to win this tournament now. It’s like winning the NCAA tournament. The NIT is pretty important. I mean, if you win it’s a good thing to have.

TJ Rives:

It certainly is a springboard or can be a springboard for your off season. And for the next year let’s lock the guys in here official plays for both on the under. They both like the under of 139 and a half. Great stats there, Kyle. This is why you tune in on the Bet US College Basketball show. And again, the tournament was played at North Texas last year. It’s not relevant whether those games in the semi-final or the final got under for what Kyle’s talking about at Madison square garden. And again, the New York area kids, the New Jersey kids that are around St. Bonaventure, yes. But for the Xavier kids and for the next game that we’re about to talk about the Texas A & M or Washington State kids. They’re going to be wide eyed in there and their shoot around and that stuff and getting ready to play in this game.

TJ Rives:

There’s no doubt that’s a valid point about scoring and being able to keep the scoring under. Why don’t we get into game number two, and that is Washington State and Texas A & M. Washington State off a fantastic performance in their quarter final on the road, they advanced. Texas A & M believe they should have been in the big tournament. So it’s not a surprise they’ve been motivated. They are the two point favorites, the Aggies. The total is 133 and a half for this matchup here tonight. We’ve got another official play and it’s going to belong to the big man. Jeff Nadu, big man. What do you like in this one?

Jeff Nadu:

Yeah. So I think on like paper, I have these teams as both a coin flip. This is a great matchup. You know, doesn’t really blow you away when you look at it. But these two teams are very similar. You’re getting a couple of points at WSU. I definitely think they have a shot here. You look at the one big thing that I’m really feeling like they can exploit. Offensive glass, we saw certain teams in the NCAA tournament attend Houston, really exploit teams in the offensive glass. This is not a good rebounding team for the most part in Texas A & M, particularly on the defense event, it’s glaring quite honestly. Washington State if they can hit the glass hard, they’re going to stay in this basketball game. They’re a good free throw shooting team. There are things they can do here, but this is going to be, I think, an ugly game to watch, man.

Jeff Nadu:

I mean, again, Kyle talked about the stats in this tournament. It’s just not real easy to see high scoring in. And we look at March madness as a whole. I mean, unders have completely destroyed in the betting market. If you’ve been betting overs, you’ve been getting just destroyed. Both these defenses are really good, they’re really solid. I saw actually I think it was Bart Torvik I think since like March 1st or in February Washington State when fully healthy has been regarded as a top 20 team analytically. So when they’re fully healthy, they’re a damn good team. They’re both well coached here these two. I look at both defenses. This is another game, neither team really wants to shoot a ton of threes. This is going to be played in a half court, long shock clocks, long possessions. I think this is another one, probably first to 65 wins.

Jeff Nadu:

We may not see a team get out of the fifties here. I definitely like WSU plus two. I definitely think they hang around and I think this game’s close. I think they could beat A & M. It’s hard to go against A & M right now they’re playing good basketball. They were obviously real good as you alluded to in the SEC tournament, they’ll be good in this tournament. But I also look at this game and I say 133 and a half seems a bit high. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is like a 64-60 type of game, 62-59, something like that. I’m going to play under here as well, under 133 and a half. I’m going under in both games.

TJ Rives:

Under, under for him. Kyle Hunter, as we bring you back in very interesting on the paths of how they got there. Washington State played their opening game at home and beat Santa Clara. They then go to SMU and win and really blasted BYU by 19 points at Provo. That’s impressive. Meantime, like we made the point with Xavier, Texas A & M all three games at home. The NIT kind of doing them a favor after the complaining and the tears and the crying of… [inaudible 00:14:23] the literal tears of Buzz Williams about not getting in the NCAA tournament. So Texas A & M ventures away from college station for the first time in the NIT in this game here, what do you make of this Kyle, even if you don’t have an official play here?

Kyle Hunter:

I think this is a really good match up. I think this is a coin flip type game. I would certainly be inclined to take the points with either team. Whoever was the underdog here in this case, it’s Washington State, both these teams enter with a lot of momentum. They’ve been playing really well, Texas A & M 24th and has the metrics momentum, Washington State’s 30th though. And that went at BYU. I don’t think we can overstate that. You know, BYU is a tough place to play and they just blew them right off the court, I mean, it wasn’t even close. Up and down the board, I think these two teams are very equal. Jeff is right that Washington State’s big edge here is second chance points, 54th and second chance conversion points, Texas A & M 176 and allowing those second chances, so that’s where Washington State needs to win. Texas A & M is first in the nation and quick points off breakaway steals.

Kyle Hunter:

They want to steal it and score and transition. Washington State ranks top 50 in the nation though in turn over percentage on offense. So I’m not sure they’ll turn it over that much. Flowers has been on fire for Washington State. He’s been playing some great basketball, lit up BYU certainly. Texas A & M’s great at getting to the line. Washington State has fouled a little bit too much. The Aggies are going to need a free throw advantage. However, Washington State does shoot the ball from the line quite a bit better, 74% from the free throw line. In a game I see as a pure coin flip, I’m going to lean the dog and you know I’m going to lean to the under in this one. I mean, there’s no way I’m betting an over at MSG. That’s for sure. So I lean dog and under in this one.

Jeff Nadu:

Keep in mind, Washington State guys, 21 and 13 to the under this year. One of the best in the country, 62% of their games have gone under. So again, you’re playing the percentages here. You’re also playing percentages with the fact that these two teams are just real elite defensively. Again, four teams that we’re talking about tonight, none of them shoot three as well. And this is a cavernous stadium. So yeah, should be fun, should be two good games.

TJ Rives:

Flowers again had 27 to Kyle’s point in the win at BYU. Let’s see if he can repeat that. All I know is the big man is saying, keep it slow, grind it, defense. Keep the scoring down. He’s officially on the under for this game as well. Washington State and Texas A & M game two of the NIT semi-finals, that will be coming up tonight at Madison square garden. Tuesday, Thursday, finish to the NIT for 2022 playing out. All right, we have time for questions and answers. As you can see, get those flowing. You may be having some already in the live chat that are going, get your questions and answers going. We remind you we’re here at 11:00 AM eastern time, all through the rest of this week, all through the Final Four. We are excited to build to all of the excitement of Villanova, Kansas and North Carolina and Duke.

TJ Rives:

And again, we’ve got the NIT championship game. We’ve got the basketball classic championship game. We haven’t touched on that as of yet, but the basketball classic championship game is now set between coastal Carolina and Fresno State. So we’ll talk a little bit about them midweek, but it’s mainly going to be about the big tournament as we go. So get the questions and answers going with what you like for the guys. Reminder, hit the like button. Subscribe to us, hit the bell more and more of you have been finding us even on a Monday where we only had the basketball, classic games going, the audience remain solid.

TJ Rives:

We say thank you to those of you that continue to tune in. I want to see that subscriber list. It’s right there, guys. It’s right there to get to 2000 subscribers. I believe we can get there before Final Four weekend. Get us over the top, hit the subscribe button, hit the light button. Hit the bell, share it out. You see it right there on the screen. I think we can get there. Yes, sir. Big man, what else?

Jeff Nadu:

Yeah. I wanted to address one of the comments here. Someone’s asking, what will we do after the national title is over? Well, the show will wrap it up and I’ll miss [inaudible 00:18:25]…

TJ Rives:

Take a vacation. I thought you were offering to take us on vacation with all your winnings. No? You’re not offering it.

Jeff Nadu:

Yes. Well, I can. I will allude and kind of break some news. We will be having a baseball show. I will be a part of that. That’ll be starting right after the tournament. So I can’t tell you who will be with me on that. However, if you know me, you’ll enjoy the guests that we’ll have with me on that show. Maybe we’ll see these guys at some point. I don’t know, but this show’s been fun. I’ve enjoyed coming on with you guys. Also, go check out the NBA show, that’s there every day.

TJ Rives:

That’s correct.

Jeff Nadu:

The NBA shows. Check that out. But yes, we’ll have some baseball after…

TJ Rives:

Dare I say. And the NHL show is going strong as well on a regular basis. Dare I say he will be big on baseball and there are other big things that are going to be happening at Bet US, hang in there. It’s just a little difficult to continue the college basketball handicapping show when there aren’t games, guys. The games are done as of next Monday night. We’re good as I like to say, but we ain’t that good when there’s not games, they’ll be games back again in November and we’ll be back for that. So we’re looking forward to that. Good, nice tease there, big man. Check it out for the MLB show that is coming up and go Rays, go Tampa Bay. I know you’re a Philly’s guy. Kyle’s got what? Kyle are you the Guardians now that used to be the Indians or are you more the Cincinnati Reds? None of the above. I see the Ohio State hat.

Kyle Hunter:

Reds.

TJ Rives:

None of it, Reds? Yes.

Kyle Hunter:

Reds, but they’re selling the teams. So Joey Votto and nobody else.

TJ Rives:

So it’s a mess in Cincinnati. I have much love from my youth for the Cincinnati Reds who used to train in Tampa at old Al Lopez field in Tampa. Right next to old Tampa stadium. One of my good buds in the broadcast business is Rob Dibble from the Nasty Boys and the Reds. Am I speaking your language? Kyle Hunter, the Nasty Boys and the Reds, 1990 in the world championship that they won that year. So yes, good stuff on the baseball [inaudible 00:20:18].

Jeff Nadu:

You want a World Series pick?

TJ Rives:

Are you giving them out and it’s not even April? Give a World Series pick

Jeff Nadu:

White Sox.

TJ Rives:

Future’s on the white Sox. What are you getting them at right now? Just out of curiosity. I’m sure you’ve looked around.

Jeff Nadu:

I think there are 10 solve the one.

TJ Rives:

Wow. All right. White Sox.

Jeff Nadu:

I’ll select the Mets in the NL.

TJ Rives:

You do understand that I am in Tampa Bay, the American league seems to come through Tampa bay. White Sox’s got to come through Tampa Bay. They had the best record in baseball last year. You’re not buying that though. You’re not buying that when it comes Tampa Bay.

Jeff Nadu:

I mean, listen, Tampa… I mean the payroll’s small, but the team is solid. I’ll tell you a team in your state that reminds me a lot of Tampa. The Miami Marlins. That is a good young little team there. Good rotation. I like the Marlins. I like both those teams.

TJ Rives:

Listen to us, breaking down baseball just for one more second, except for the fact that the captain, Derek Jeter said, “You know what? I’m good. I’m leaving.” When I saw that I went, what does he know? I mean, he’s trying to get away from this like it’s radioactive maybe in my… I don’t know.

Jeff Nadu:

No, listen, they’re tough team. I think they’re going to be a thorn in a lot of team sides eventually. I mean, you don’t need a big payroll win the major leagues that’s Tampa…

TJ Rives:

And the Rays have proven that. Yes, the Rays have proven that and some others have proven that. So we’ll see. Little baseball talk from the big man. We’ll get to your questions and answers now. Some of you are already filtering in with those, whether it’s NIT related, they gave you a bunch on the NIT and on the unders for tonight, get some questions in for later. This weekend’s games, if you’ve got a couple of those, we had some of those yesterday on the show, fire away, they will feed them to me. Mark is watching us and says, “Do you think that the lines are tighter this time of year, seems like the majority of the sharps seem to be losing right now.” Big man, I saw you nod with that. Take that first

Jeff Nadu:

Of course, they are. I mean, listen, if you’ve watched this tournament, I don’t want to be guy, but I mean, there’s been a lot of square plays that have come in. I mean, a lot, but hey, that’s part of the game. Yeah, for sure. The lines are tight. It’s tough to win, man. That’s why Matt and I talked about it yesterday, we like to find our little thing and dig ourselves in. You know, we have 300 teams, 350 games. We like to be hidden, give me value. Bet on one or two games. The whole world’s betting these games like the NFL playoffs. Everything’s sharp, it’s hard, man. Of course the lines are tight.

TJ Rives:

Kyle Hunter, we talked some yesterday about the Villanova Kansas line, which remains… I look at the Bet US line, it remains Kansas minus four and a half, and it may even go up. The injury to Justin Moore, second leading score of Villanova, how much in your opinion do you believe it affected that line, a couple of points, maybe even more, or maybe you don’t think it affected it that much. And Kansas was always going to be a three or four point favor here?

Kyle Hunter:

Yeah, I think it was one and a half or two points higher than it would’ve been in is my guess. Gillespie, wasn’t looking 100% either. And I think that factors into this one, because he was kind of gimping around their last game after that injury there at the end of the Michigan game. Nova is a great team. Jay Wright’s a really good coach, probably the best coach in the country. This is a tough spot for them though. And I think the Kansas minus four and a half would likely only go up. You know, I don’t think it’s going to go down. So if you like Kansas, you probably want to play it early. As far as the lines being tighter this time of the year, I’ve had a really good NCAA tournament, but that’s largely been because the unders have done so well.

Kyle Hunter:

You guys know I’m betting a lot of unders and having said that, I totally agree with Jeff that I’d rather be picking Merrimack and St. Francis or something like that, way under the radar. We’d be talking IUPUI, if they were still here, I mean, let’s be honest. Those have been the best to us. And I know for Jeff and I, the NIT has been really good to us. Some of these smaller conference or the small post season tournaments and even the conference tournaments before that are easier to bet than the NCAA tournament. So it’s a little bit hard to hide and find those under the radar games now, when there’s only a couple games at most. So I agree that it’s tougher to find the value and certainly you got to be careful and pick your spots.

Jeff Nadu:

Hey, TJ.

TJ Rives:

Yes, sir.

Jeff Nadu:

I wanted to kind of just divulge into a topic about basketball in general and college hoops. I think we’re seeing a real change in the guard. I think if you’re a Gonzaga fan, I think you have to really come to the realization that I think Gonzaga’s time in the sun could be over. I’m not saying they’re going to go back to being some mid-major team again, but we have to really ask ourselves and look back and say, Tommy Lloyd, leaving that program was a major problem for Gonzaga. You look at this year, they obviously struck out, they fell short. Tommy Lloyd went, and I think we can look at the new power in the next couple of years out of the west coast as probably being Arizona. You look at Gonzaga, okay. The last couple years they’ve been able to build this team to a high profile because of the fact that they’ve gotten the high level recruits, the Chet Holmgrens, the Jalen Suggs. You look at next year, they don’t have a top 50 recruit coming in. I mean, that’s…

TJ Rives:

Interesting.

Jeff Nadu:

Not great. And when we look at why they were able to do and have the success that they’ve had, if you know anything about that program, the way they got people like Sabonis, Karnowski, Tillie, Rui Hachimura. They got them because of Tommy Lloyd, Tommy Lloyd was recruiting them. He was their chief recruiter. Mark Few’s done a great job but it’s the people around him that made that program what it is. I feel like, and I’ve talked to some people that I respect, I think we could agree. Gonzaga didn’t win the tournament last year. That was their opportunity. I don’t know if they’re ever going to win it now. I think you really are seeing a change in the guard, the west coast, new power, I think’s going to be Arizona. Gonzaga will still be good. They’re in a conference they can destroy every year, but I don’t think it’s going to be easy. I think their time in the sun is gone.

TJ Rives:

Well, it depends is Sallis right, that they have… And a couple of other guys that they have, do they hang around, do they do well? And what else can he reload with? I don’t think it’s not in dispute. They are the brand name in west coast basketball and have been for the last 20 years more so than UCLA, more so than Arizona. Again, Arizona, hasn’t been in a Final Four in 25 years, 26 seasons now, because they didn’t get there this year. So Tommy Lloyd’s got his work cut out for him to get it done in a tougher conference, by and large, the PAC-12. But like you said, Few’s going to largely dominate in the west coast conference. They haven’t feared going out of the conference and playing tough teams and beating tough teams. I think they’ll probably reload. Maybe not at the highest level, but they’ll probably reload and still be good. Be good connection.

Jeff Nadu:

I’m interested…

TJ Rives:

Kyle, do you have any thought on that. Kyle, real quick?

Kyle Hunter:

Yeah. I mean, I was going to say and Jeff kind of answered the question I was going to ask. So you think Gonzaga will never win a national championship under Mark Few at this point.

Jeff Nadu:

I mean you have to ask yourself, I mean what’s given the indication that they could ever get over the hump. I mean, they’ve had some really elite teams, man. I mean that team a couple years ago where they had Brandon Clarke and Hachimura and all those guys, I mean the recent team last year. I mean that Suggs and Tillie, or not Tillie, Timme. Those teams are great. TJ mentioned next year, I mean, Holmgren’s gone. I mean, Timme he may…

TJ Rives:

Maybe he’ll go to the NBA. He’ll go to the NBA.

Jeff Nadu:

Well, Timme’s a junior. I don’t know if he will go to NBA quite honestly. I think he could… he’s not good enough defensively. I don’t think he’s got any shot in the NBA. I mean the guard play was not good this year. Nembhard’s gone. Bolton’s gone. Like I said, nothing coming in. Now remember the great equalizer here in college hoops is the transfer market. There’s a lot of kids in the transfer market, but….

TJ Rives:

Correct. Correct.

Jeff Nadu:

Yeah. I don’t think they’ll ever win, no.

TJ Rives:

I mean, I often caution stay away from the word never. Stay away from never. Never’s a long time. And they were in the title game last year and they were in the title game in 2017. So he’s had them at a high level. We’ll see. Kyle, final thought on that before we move on?

Kyle Hunter:

Yeah. They had such a great chance both last year and with that team in 17 with Karnowski and Williams-Goss and that group, I mean, they led for quite a bit of that second half and then lost. And obviously last year they were just blown away by Baylor. But you know, I think Few’s a really good coach, but I tend to agree with big man that their easiest times to win it are probably in the past. You know, we never know that they might pull off some amazing run, but I think it’ll get tougher and tougher.

Jeff Nadu:

Up until this year. I thought Few was the best coach in America. And I put the best coaches, that’s a lot of things, it’s your assistants as well, what they’ve done for your program. Losing Lloyd, that was a huge loss man. And he goes to Arizona. He’s going to get some recruits that should have probably went to Gonzaga, but he’s in Arizona.

TJ Rives:

Good point on that. All right, Patrick is watching us real quick. He says, “With the lines being as sharp as they are, what’s the best in game live, betting strategy?” You guys have any thoughts just overall on that?

Jeff Nadu:

I would say, just watch the game, man. Sometimes gambling… I said this about hedging. I get hedging questions all the time. What do I do here? Listen, I don’t know. It’s your money, you may need the money. I don’t know. You have to make that decision on your [inaudible 00:29:37]. As far as live bets, you got to just watch the game. You can get a feel on, well, this team just doesn’t look very good or it’s all about the number. I would just say, watch the games. Don’t just sit there and look at your score app and say, “Oh well, they’re down. I’m going to just bet them.” No, the best thing you can do in gambling, I’ll tell you this, is if you just watch these games and you understand these teams, you can do okay. It’s pretty simple. I don’t know if there are any live betting strategies, just watch the game.

TJ Rives:

One thing that Matt shared yesterday for the audience here is that he was wanting that number to get to five or greater. And he said, “I may wait until the game begins and Kansas gets a hoop or two, and suddenly I’m now getting 5, 6, 6 and a half. And I’ll take it then.” Just as a thought for the viewer, that’s watching us. That’s one of the things he shared yesterday if you didn’t see it. Kyle, any thoughts just overall on live game betting strategy?

Kyle Hunter:

Yeah, I mean, without going too deep here, I would say some people talk like live betting is just really easy. So I want to make it clear that there’s a lot of people that lose live betting. You know, there are many people that just… Look at the recent trend and this team just scored six or eight points in a row. So I have to bet them. This is a game of runs. You know, both teams are going to make runs as long as they’re good teams and it’s going to be a close matchup. So you’d rather try to buy low than you would buy after they just had that amazing run.

Kyle Hunter:

So you have to kind of think against what your first thought is, because what you just saw might be misleading you at times. And then also you have to be okay with passing sometimes. If you want to wait for something like Villanova and say, Villanova starts ahead five to nothing, and you were wanting to get the plus six or plus seven, you might not get that plus six or plus seven. You have to be okay with passing sometimes. So discipline is the key I would say with live betting.

TJ Rives:

And we did bring this up yesterday as it relates to that Kansas Miami game, that Miami had the six point lead at halftime. Kansas comes out to start the second half on the 15 to four run. I did peek at it. I normally don’t look at live betting lines and don’t care. I just looked at it. And when they scored the first probably six points or eight points, they suddenly had a line sitting there at Kansas minus nine and a half. But you could still take Miami plus nine and a half. So even though the game was now tied or Kansas was maybe up by two, it wouldn’t have mattered if you had plus 19 and a half, as it turns out for the second half. You just don’t know to your point, Kyle, on the live betting. It doesn’t always translate on that.

TJ Rives:

All right. So other viewers that are watching us have other questions, Jake says, “Can we take a minute to talk about the women’s tournament and the game last night, NC State UConn. Paige Buckets was fun to watch.” If you guys did not see it, this is the UConn best player, best scorer, who earlier in the year had a fractured kneecap, a fractured tibial plateau. She has come back to play. She was outstanding in the two overtimes with Yukon on the verge of maybe going out in this tournament. They went in double overtime last night in the Elite Eight 91 to 87 over NC State, the top seat. So UConn into the Final Four. Louisville also won last night to get into the Final Four as well for the ladies in the tournament that’s coming up. And I’m looking, the other two are South Carolina and Stanford.

TJ Rives:

The were victorious. They’re two of the powerhouses, Stanford, the defending champs. South Carolina’s won a previous title and always one of the top teams. But that was exciting stuff from Paige Bueckers, who is a Minnesota girl. And they are going to play in Minnesota, by the way, at the Target Center. UConn and Stanford will be the second game coming for Friday night in Minnesota Paige Bueckers hometown. So there you go. I’ve laid all the stuff guys. Were you watching any of this? Have you at least seen the highlights, the internet or any of that? Because it was dramatic stuff for UConn, for sure.

Jeff Nadu:

Can’t say I have.

TJ Rives:

Not much, not much, [inaudible 00:33:32] you say.

Jeff Nadu:

I will say though, I’ve watched this over the years. There was a year or two ago where, I mean, these chicks can ball, man. They’re really good. I like Buecker. She’s great. I mean there was that girl this year for Iowa. I mean she can’t miss from three. I mean, I don’t know…

TJ Rives:

Katie Kelly, I believe it is. Yes. And she’s a fantastic shooter, but they got knocked out in the NCAA tournament. And again, the Louisville men had such a disastrous season with Chris Mack resigning and the bottom fell out. They were terrible. Now the women get in the Final Four. So at least a Louisville fan has something to cheer about as they play South Carolina and Dawn Staley from right there from Temple as a player has built an empire at South Carolina basketball for the ladies. They are the number one overall seed and again, Stanford. And they’re the defending champs as well. Tara VanDerveer, the coach has been there forever for 30 years. I’m just imparting some women’s basketball knowledge here on the show while we’re doing this. So the women’s Final Four Friday night in Minnesota, including Paige Bueckers in UConn. How much money could you win on a trivia question by the way, how much money could you win?

TJ Rives:

How many champ has UConn won in women’s basketball, the last four tournaments? No tournament, 2020. Kyle Hunter, your guess without looking, how many… It’s a loaded question.

Kyle Hunter:

Zero?

TJ Rives:

Zero. UConn has not won any of the last four women’s tournaments that is shocking. Notre Dame has won, Stanford got the one last year’s, South Carolina has one. UConn does not have any of the last four tournaments under Geno Auriemma. So anybody can win this thing would be the point kind of there on that with what happens. Patrick asked us another question says, “If Jay Wright is the best,” I think he means has the best team in the country. “Does that make it the smartest bet to bet on Villanova in the Final Four?” We were going back and forth about Jay Wright and how good he is as a coach. Is he worth it when he is not a player to look at that plus four and say his Xs and Os can make up for it on the line guys, just a quick thought. Big man?

Jeff Nadu:

I mean, I don’t think it’s a terrible strategy. I mean, listen, I don’t think Bill Self … I mean, Bill Self’s a pretty good coach as well. So I mean, listen without Justin Moore it’s problematic. Look, I’d [inaudible 00:35:46] what I[inaudible 00:35:46] today. I didn’t think Villanova was that great against Houston. I thought they ran into a team and just couldn’t make anything, but I’ll give Villanova credit the level of where this program is. And I remember when I was a kid, Villanova, they were solid. They had their Raleigh years or whatever, but the preeminent basketball team in Philadelphia was Temple.

Jeff Nadu:

You look at 20 years later, 25 years later, Villanova is not only the high end team in this town, but they’re one of the best teams in the country. They are blue blood every year, Jay Wright has done… look, I’ve said for years, I wish Jay Wright would coach the Sixers. I would love that to happen. There’s been talk that sometimes he would do it and he never has, but yeah, I think that’s a good way to look at it. I ultimately think Kansas gets a job in there. I think without Moore, that’s just too difficult, but yeah, I don’t think that’s a terrible strategy.

TJ Rives:

All right. Good. Kyle, any thought on that?

Kyle Hunter:

I mean, my thought is, I think Jay Wright’s the best coach in the country. I don’t think he has the best team in the country at this point, especially without Moore. If you put the talent, just the team’s talent side by side without Moore, and with Gillespie, maybe not 100%, Kansas has much more talent than does Villanova at this point. So how much is Jay Wright worth? This is one game. You know, the fact that he’s the best coach in the country to me doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m going to bet Villanova. I probably won’t bet Villanova in this game unless the line gets bigger and out of control.

Kyle Hunter:

But I think he’s done a fantastic job with this program. This is just a team that like Jeff said, Nova has reached top four or five program in the country consistently, largely because of Jay Wright and the chemistry that he has with this team. He’s done a great job. Having said that, this is just one game. We’re looking at one game, they are at a talent disadvantage. Bill Self is a good coach as well, like Jeff said. So I wouldn’t just blindly bet that.

TJ Rives:

Hey, speaking of the coaches, Kyle, you didn’t get to weigh in, but on Sunday evening… And by the way, fascinating for the audience watching us here on the Bet US College Basketball show, the St. Peter’s North Carolina game, even though it was a wipe out, basically in the first half with no drama, never got closer than about 18, 16, 18 points, the whole second half. It was the second highest rated game of the tournament. It was the highest rated Elite Eight game in 11 years. Hello? That tells you the drawing power of college basketball, the standalone game on Sunday. That’s amazing that it did that. Well, it had nearly 11 million viewers. So the tournament coming back strong overall in terms of audience in a game. I mean, that makes you think that if the game had been close, that’s worth at least a couple million people, right guys?

TJ Rives:

It would’ve probably been 13 or 14 million if the game had been close because the issue had basically been decided, so that tells you the interest in college basketball. Kyle, give me a thought because Jeff and I and Matt were talking yesterday about Hubert Davis that I even said on the show yesterday, it kind of looked like tears of relief, almost as much as excitement and joy that he got this team to the Final Four. He shut a lot of people up in the last three weeks with the way North Carolina’s been playing. What are your thoughts on the job, obviously they got to the Final Four, but what are your thoughts about Hubert Davis as a coach and the job they did. Real quick, Kyle.

Kyle Hunter:

I mean, you have to give them a lot of credit. We look back about what? A month, people were questioning, whether they’d even be in the tournament and here they are in the Final Four. So great run, peaking at the right time. It’s a sign of a good coach to be that much improved at the end of the season, compared to what they were in the middle of the season. This is a team that lost at home to Pittsburgh. I mean, we know how bad Pittsburgh was this year, and then they made this amazing run. To be able to keep the team together like that shows me quite a bit. So yeah, I’m impressed. I think this is going to be fantastic. I’m looking forward to chatting later this week about that Carolina Duke game. That thing’s fire.

TJ Rives:

No doubt about that. And again, for Hubert Davis, I didn’t mention this on the show yesterday. He’s got Jeff Lebo former player, former head coach at a couple of places, including Auburn. He’s got Sean May off the national championship team from 2004 on this team or 2005, this 2005 championship team. So he’s got some Carolina mojo that’s working there with him and in Lebo’s case to help him with Xs and Os as well. And he sat there with Roy Williams for the better part of seven or eight years as the lead assistant with Roy through this whole thing, including wing and national title as North Carolina did in 2017 as well. So there’s a lot to be said for Hubert Davis on that front. All right, guys, let’s get to the best bets. Let’s get to what we have officially for tonight in the NIT action at Madison square garden.

TJ Rives:

You see that both handicappers are on the under, in the St Bonaventure Xavier game, that’ll be up first at the garden coming up tonight in semi-final number one. Jeff also will go ahead and officially play the under as well on the Washington State, Texas A & M late game. Fascinating for both Xavier and Texas A & M they’ve only played home games so far in the NIT, first time away from home to be playing at Madison square garden. And again, for the Washington State team, they come off a huge win over BYU and the St. Bonaventure team won all three games on the road for whatever that’s worth to now advance into New York and see what that’s like tonight. Final thoughts, guys. Big man, anything in closing here for a Tuesday edition of the show?

Jeff Nadu:

Yeah, I can understand Shaheen Holloway’s humble. He used to coach at St. Peter’s, but I don’t know what he’s waiting on. I mean, go get your money, bro. I mean, Seton Hall’s ready. What the hell is he waiting on?

TJ Rives:

Is it maybe what we joked about on Saturday after they had won the game on Friday night with Purdue. Yesterday’s price, what? Is not today’s price. Is he asking for more money at this point?

Jeff Nadu:

He recently took a pay cut at St. Peter’s due to the fact that they have financial issues…

TJ Rives:

That’s right.

Jeff Nadu:

After the coronavirus pandemic. I mean, I don’t know what he’s waiting on. I think they’re in good hands. No one would be mad at him. He did a great job there. They’re in good hands. They’ll just hire the next great assistant coming up and St. Peters will be very good next year. I’m sure he’ll take a lot of those kids with him to Seton hall. I don’t understand what he’s waiting on. I get he wants to be humble and he’s the coach at St. Peter’s, but go get your money. I mean, he’ll make four or five times what he is making at St.Peter’s.

TJ Rives:

Oh, more. Yeah. More than that you would think. Well, Kyle, what do you think on this, on Holloway on the weight?

Kyle Hunter:

I would still think it’s just a matter of time. I’m surprised he hasn’t done it yet, but hey, great coach, what a great job he’s done. And guys, I mean, we’ve spent over 40 minutes when we had two games to talk about. When TJ and Jeff and I get talking about college hoops, you never know how long it’s going to be, but I do think we’ll have two good games tonight in the NIT. So probably a couple of good games to watch here tonight.

TJ Rives:

Fair enough on all of that. We’ll see if the Holloway deal gets done later today or not. I would think if we get into like Wednesday and he hasn’t taken the job, then that’s an indication that Seton Hall’s going to get pressure from everybody around them on what are you not giving him? What are you not in terms of like assistants pool, those kind of things could also be a factor, that stuff could also be a factor.

Jeff Nadu:

I mean, it would be an ultimate. Like, what the hell are you doing? Listen, I get it. You do your thing, but no offense, bro, but St. Peter’s to Seton Hall. I mean, it’s a huge leap. You got to go where the money is. All of us are humans at the end of the day.

TJ Rives:

Sure.

Jeff Nadu:

You know, I don’t… You got to…

TJ Rives:

Look, and we got to go in a second, but it’s not as if that’s not his dream job. He played there. It’s in the big east. The big east is back as a power basketball conference. Now we sound like his agents, you’re going to make 5, 6, 7 times what you were making. What is there not to do? The only thing I’m wondering is assistants pool, money, maybe upgrade of facilities. He’s concerned about all of those things. And if they’re not willing to commit, I’ll sit and play chicken with you for another day or two.

Jeff Nadu:

I think they’re willing to give him what he wants. I mean, we’ll see. I’m hoping it’s done soon.

TJ Rives:

We’ll see if that’s the case. I think we’re done here for a Tuesday. Big man on campus, thank you. Kyle Hunter, we thank you as well. And we thank you for watching the Tuesday edition of the Bet US College Basketball show. Don’t forget to check out our sportsbook website.

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